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As an Orthodox Christian, I share all these views and note this: No Orthodox Church could exist in the Americas *except for* our liberal democracy that pointedly rejects the idea of "Christendom."

We would have been slaughtered, and those doing the slaughtering would have been taught they had done God's holy will.

As was true in Europe prior to the American Experiment. As is true today in Ukraine, where the Patriarch of Russia himself has blessed the murder of Ukrainian Orthodox Christians in the name of "Russkiy Mir."

What Rubio and his ilk want, and what all decent humans should oppose with every fibre of our being, is a rejection of tolerance and a return to domination by force of all who think or believe differently.

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I agree with Peter Wilson. I don’t know how much you have kept abreast of the conversation around Tom Holland the last few years, but he has so utterly reframed the argument you’re currently making that it seems crazy for you not to at least nod dismissively in his direction.

In a nutshell, as Peter says, you’re still talking about Christianity and liberal democracy as two separate things, the way people did ten years ago, when Holland has argued fairly persuasively that liberal democracy is a product of Christianity. Even more, it’s a kind of appendage of Christianity. In some cases, it’s actually an aspect of Christendom that has been imposed by force on non-Christian peoples, whether they wanted it or not. (e.g., Muslims, who have no Christian tradition of the saeculum and religio, can feel their religion is under attack when they are forced by Western Christians to separate the secular and the religious.

What’s more (and I’m still parroting Holland here) Christianity, by is nature, undermines the very power structures that seek to use it as the source of their power. There’s just always going to be a very uneasy relationship between a faith of “the first shall be last, and the last shall be first” and “the weak shall inherit the Earth” and power structures attempting to make that faith the basis and justification of their power.

Thus we see Christian soldiers conquering under Christian banners only to see, over time, Christianity itself undermining and altering the very hegemony they seek to impose. Your article seems to be taking those soldiers at face value, and in a short view you’re correct, but we see at the same time that the magic of Christianity, in the long view, is its refusal to be used in that way.

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